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Anthem ARC Genesis Room Correction Unveiled at ISE 2019

Anthem Room Correction, aka ARC, is a sophisticated room correction software solution for two channel and surround-sound applications. At ISE 2019 in Amsterdam, Anthem announced the third generation of the technology: ARC Genesis.

This new room correction solution offers a user configurable target curve, and applies "powerful acoustic correction algorithms" to sound in order to compensate for room related effects that can negatively impact audio fidelity. Here are some additional details on this solution, that is supported by both Mac and Windows:

This latest generation of ARC allows you to connect to compatible equipment to using USB, Wi-Fi, Ethernet, or Bluetooth (depending on the product). Additionally, Anthem has stated that it will upgrade ARC Mobile to incorporate the ARC Genesis feature set.

Anthem states that ARC Genesis provides improved quality results by utilizing optimized algorithms that are also faster than those in previous generations of the product. ARC is able to select crossover points, compensate for a room again, and create optimal target curves for individual speakers. The company also states that if you utilize it in conjunction with Anthem STR Series products, then it is able to align the phase of speakers and subs.

One feature that should please the tweakers is a improvement to ARC's Quick Measure function. There is now a "Snapshot" function that preserves the curve of a current measurement, allowing the user to overlay it and compare with subsequent measurement curves. This way, you can find the most optimal configuration for a speaker system and keep the settings that work the best.

Availability is expected in spring of 2019 with a free download at www.AnthemAV.com
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Bummer on no time alignment except with the STR series. Fantastic that it is backwards compatible with current products for FREE. And being able to do quick measure and see actual correct response is a big plus. Being able to manipulate the target curve will open this up for a lot of custom guys.
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Minimum phase filters only (current ARC) or mixed phase?
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Bummer on no time alignment except with the STR series.
Probably just a matter of available DSP power, as the STR has much more processing power. I'd imagine their future products would support it.
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Does it still run locally in software rather than requiring an internet connection to contact a server of a company that won't exist forever (like one of its competitors)? If it runs locally (such that I can expect it to work many years from now) then this will probably be my next upgrade. Also does anyone know if I can run ARC in Linux, either natively or using WINE?
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I hope they've included options to turn on/off ARC and set max EQ frequency per speaker group (like Dirac).

E.g., I would like to turn off ARC for front speakers, limit ARC to 500 Hz for center and limit ARC to 5 kHz for surround speakers.

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So flagship D2V 3D doesn't get the update? bummer.

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So flagship D2V 3D doesn't get the update? bummer.
I'm not sure the D2V still qualifies as a "flagship." It's a seven year old unit at this point and has never been able to run the modern ARC-2 software, instead being stuck with the legacy ARC-1 software (which hasn't seen an update in over four years). There's no replacement for the D2V, but that's more a reflection of the role of a receiver/processor in the current state of technology and less because it's still considered a flagship device. It was a great product in a market that doesn't really exist any more and hasn't for a long time.
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It's time for new products from Anthem. Sure they're still great I'm sure but they're going on 5 years now.
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I hope they've included options to turn on/off ARC and set max EQ frequency per speaker group (like Dirac).

E.g., I would like to turn off ARC for front speakers, limit ARC to 500 Hz for center and limit ARC to 5 kHz for surround speakers.
If I understand you correct, this is already possible With todays Version!? Maybe you have to set max EQ pr speaker but that is not a real issue.

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It's time for new products from Anthem. Sure they're still great I'm sure but they're going on 5 years now.
As far as I know, AVM60/MRXxx20 is aprox 2 years and STR was released in 2018, only D2V is old, and have provbably not been sold very many of last few years!?
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If I understand you correct, this is already possible With todays Version!? Maybe you have to set max EQ pr speaker but that is not a real issue.
It's not possible. There is just one value for Max EQ frequency and it's applied to all speakers / channels.

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As far as I know, AVM60/MRXxx20 is aprox 2 years
They were released at the end of 2015, so it's 3+ years old now.
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It's not possible. There is just one value for Max EQ frequency and it's applied to all speakers / channels.
Maybe you're right, I really haven't used it very much except for subs and LCR, and at least there you can choose seperate, don't know about surrounds

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They were released at the end of 2015, so it's 3+ years old now.
Not that it matters too much, but I can't find any reviews of AVM60 previous than des 16?

Marantz puts out new models each year, but when you take a look at the differnece between each year, they are very ofte marginal.

I have both AVM60 and STR Pre/power, and what I miss most is streaming capabilities, otherwise I don't see what newer competitors have that Anthem don't.
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Not that it matters too much, but I can't find any reviews of AVM60 previous than des 16?

Marantz puts out new models each year, but when you take a look at the differnece between each year, they are very ofte marginal.

I have both AVM60 and STR Pre/power, and what I miss most is streaming capabilities, otherwise I don't see what newer competitors have that Anthem don't.
The date of a review has nothing to do with when a product was released. Go to the Anthem thread and you will see owners posting about it in December 2015.
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Very cool upgrade for a great processor!
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Does it compute distances now? I was annoyed at the lack of that basic feature within ARC.

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Nope.
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Does it still run locally in software rather than requiring an internet connection to contact a server of a company that won't exist forever (like one of its competitors)? If it runs locally (such that I can expect it to work many years from now) then this will probably be my next upgrade. Also does anyone know if I can run ARC in Linux, either natively or using WINE?
Locally you just need the software and be in the same network as your amp.
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It's not possible. There is just one value for Max EQ frequency and it's applied to all speakers / channels.
According to the screenshots it seems to be the same:

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Does it compute distances now? I was annoyed at the lack of that basic feature within ARC.
I was under the impression that there's some issue with accuracy of computing distances, that Anthem's position was more about not doing it at all instead of sometimes doing it wrong?
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I was under the impression that there's some issue with accuracy of computing distances, that Anthem's position was more about not doing it at all instead of sometimes doing it wrong?
Its strange that all the other RC systems do it i.e. Dirac Live, Audyssey, AccuEq, YPAO, etc. I sold my Anthem AVM60 so its not an issue for me, but I find it odd they are the only ones who don't provide distances.

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Its strange that all the other RC systems do it i.e. Dirac Live, Audyssey, AccuEq, YPAO, etc. I sold my Anthem AVM60 so its not an issue for me, but I find it odd they are the only ones who don't provide distances.
It is kind of odd. In practice it hasn't been an issue for me: measure once, enter the data, done. But what drives having to measure at all?

Also, in another thread one poster was unhappy about distances being in increments of 1 foot. His position was that on very high end systems even 1 inch makes a difference. I frankly don't know since the AVM 60 doesn't provide a way to test with finer values. It's likely to be one of those things I'll wonder about and perhaps make a requirement in the next processor.

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I sold my Anthem AVM60 so its not an issue for me, but I find it odd they are the only ones who don't provide distances.

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It is kind of odd. In practice it hasn't been an issue for me: measure once, enter the data, done. But what drives having to measure at all?

Also, in another thread one poster was unhappy about distances being in increments of 1 foot. His position was that on very high end systems even 1 inch makes a difference. I frankly don't know since the AVM 60 doesn't provide a way to test with finer values. It's likely to be one of those things I'll wonder about and perhaps make a requirement in the next processor.

Yes, that same person indicated he or she can tell when a speaker is moved one inch too.....maybe. But saying that a system like ARC that can't do finer than 1 foot increments CAN'T sound good is over the top. Which is what that person stated. That or all the folks that think Anthem products sound good are all dumb and deluded. I stopped short of asking if they had ever owned said Anthems and experienced ARC, though I was led to believe they had not by the context....
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It is kind of odd. In practice it hasn't been an issue for me: measure once, enter the data, done. But what drives having to measure at all?

Also, in another thread one poster was unhappy about distances being in increments of 1 foot. His position was that on very high end systems even 1 inch makes a difference. I frankly don't know since the AVM 60 doesn't provide a way to test with finer values. It's likely to be one of those things I'll wonder about and perhaps make a requirement in the next processor.
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Yes, that same person indicated he or she can tell when a speaker is moved one inch too.....maybe. But saying that a system like ARC that can't do finer than 1 foot increments CAN'T sound good is over the top. Which is what that person stated. That or all the folks that think Anthem products sound good are all dumb and deluded. I stopped short of asking if they had ever owned said Anthems and experienced ARC, though I was led to believe they had not by the context....
I'd be more inclined to believe that the differences of an inch are more to do with speaker interaction with the room than the ability to resolve differences in phase/delay that small.
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His position was that on very high end systems even 1 inch makes a difference.
And how does he ensure his head is on the right spot every time and the movements of the head are smaller than one inch during listening sessions?
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