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Good morning.

I have a question for you all about my setup.

Current setup:
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Question 1: Is my center channel too small? It sounds good, but I'm not sure it's big enough.

Question 2: What surrounds would match well with the others? I've had these Polks forever and they don't really fit the rest of the speakers.

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Question 1: Is my center channel too small? ...
IMO, no. It's a pretty substantial CC speaker, actually.

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I'd go with a gently-used pair of MiniMonitors (v1-v4).
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IMO, no. It's a pretty substantial CC speaker, actually.


I'd go with a gently-used pair of MiniMonitors (v1-v4).
Thanks, eljaycanuck. I've been mulling over MiniMonitors for awhile now.
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I'd be interested to know how the ADP's sound with your atmos setup. I have both ADP 190's and 390's and it's always said they won't be ideal for atmos setups. I have no plan to replace them so your opinion would be valued. By the way, the CC-390 is a beast.
The 190s sound great. I have the left surround placed on the wall ~2 feet from the couch, directly to the left of the listening positions, and the right surround is ~1 foot from the couch on an end table (no wall on that side) just below ear level. Both provide diffuse sound that is hard to place, no specific directionality at all. You can hear sound panning around to come from the general direction of the surrounds, but you have to look to see where the speakers are located.

The other 390 will hopefully be here Monday, and I have my fingers crossed that they will work as well - I'm afraid those middle drivers will ruin the diffuse effect by introducing excessive directionality to the sound.

I'm curious, why do people claim the ADPs aren't good for Atmos? They seem fine for me, although I'm only using them for the sides - the backs are regular speakers.
I'm curious also about ADP's and Atmos. That's why I asked. All I've ever read is that there not ideal for Atmos setups.
I have my 390's to the L/R of my main seating and the 190's on the back wall behind that position as Paradigm suggest and that sound great. In the future I may add Atmos speakers, but I'll try with my ADP's. If it sounds bad or off then maybe I'll consider changing them.
Watching San Andreas last night those 390's had the walls shaking. Not overly localized, but I think it may depend on the audio mix. At times they have drawn attention to themselves, but it varies.
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I've got 4 CI Elite E65-R's for Atmos, but I haven't been able to try them out yet. Still outfitting my room with acoustic treatments and waiting for some more components to arrive. Hopefully within 2 weeks or so I should have it all up and running.
I heard back from Paradigm and they stated that all of their in-ceiling speakers are wide dispersion speakers at 180 degrees so are ideal for Atmos.
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I heard back from Paradigm and they stated that all of their in-ceiling speakers are wide dispersion speakers at 180 degrees so are ideal for Atmos.
Good to know! I'd like to at some point try a pair of ceiling speakers - can't do in-ceiling, so I'll need to get creative and hang them somehow.
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Looking for advice - creating my media room/man cave - I have upgraded from a Denon 3300CI AV receiver to separates - Marantz AV7702 and MM8077 - will add another amp in the near future (preferably with more power to drive my LCR speakers - that's another topic for another thread!) - and have added a PSA V-1800 sub. I currently have some older Paradigm Reference Series Speakers - Studio 80 fronts, Studio CC center and Studio 20 rears - that are great speakers. My goal is to end up with a 7.1.4 atmos system for movies, but also have a decent setup for 2 channel music. I need to add 2 more surround speakers and 4 ceiling speakers. One other note is that the ceiling is a drop.

I am looking for budget friendly suggestions on my next step (if there is such a thing with Paradigm speakers). Should I consider upgrading the LCR's, or just add 2 surrounds (side) and 4 ceiling? Which speakers would work with current setup? I have never purchased used speakers - good or bad idea? I know this thread is for Paradigm - however are there other options I should consider that would match with my current speakers? I enjoy great sound - however am no audiophile in experience or knowledge by any means! Thanks in advance!

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I almost pulled the trigger on the 95's with free center channel but was scared to death to do it sight unseen. I called around to the locals stores where I lived and no one had them out for demo. I'm now in Calgary at a local store downtown and they have the 95 on display. They are much bigger than I thought would have been. But after listening to them I can honestly say I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the promotion regardless of size. Congrats to the everyone that own these speakers.
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I have never purchased used speakers - good or bad idea?
All my Paradigm speakers and subs were used ((4) S1, C3, C1, dual Seismic 110). I've bought used wall speakers before also, but not Paradigms (Phase Technology). My Phase Tech towers and center were used. And my other three subs were used. I've never had a problem with any of them. YMMV
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I almost pulled the trigger on the 95's with free center channel but was scared to death to do it sight unseen. I called around to the locals stores where I lived and no one had them out for demo. I'm now in Calgary at a local store downtown and they have the 95 on display. They are much bigger than I thought would have been. But after listening to them I can honestly say I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the promotion regardless of size. Congrats to the everyone that own these speakers.
Can't blame you! I had never seen the 95s myself in person, just the 75 and 85 - and I too feared the size of 95 so went with the 85 which I was able to audition. Even that will loom pretty large in my space, I hope I don't regret not having gone with the 95s, so I've told myself to never listen to them so I can't regret it.

Don't worry - something else will come along that you'll love and be able to get for a good deal.
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It has been a few weeks now since I picked up a pair of Prestige 95Fs and a 55C with them free on the Paradigm promotion. I ended up trading in my 11se MKIII monitor series speakers after I picked up the 95Fs. I have to say that the 95Fs are quite a bump in sound quality. Ouverture (Adagio; Allegro) has a large tympani that comes in around 4:20 in the track which did not sound like a tympani on the 11se MKIIIs. The 95Fs reproduces the tympani quite well.

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Size comparison - 55C 95F boxes


They are double boxed - and there are staples in both the inner and outer boxes.



Goodies in the 95F box -




Adjustment of the feet is well-engineered in my opinion.


95F liberated


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The WAF was high on leaving the grills off - but we decided to put them on


And the final setup in a somewhat panoramic format






There's a Servo-15 v1 on the right.

Some of you will probably say that the room is cramped for the 95Fs. I bought based on the sound. I thought the 95Fs sounded better than the 85F, so that is what I decided to buy. My take on the "too large" aspect is that speakers will only be too large if they are played too loud. I'm running a Yamaha RX-A1050 behind these, and I used the YPAO automated setup. IMHO, YPAO did a great job and managed to keep the speakers sounding musical with music sources. The 95Fs are quite a bit more sensitive than the 11se MKIIIs they replaced. We used to keep the volume on the 1050 at -20 for the 11se MKIIIs; now, we keep it at about -27.

I am very happy with them, and happier still that I decided not to purchase Studio 100 v4s a few years back.

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The 190s sound great. I have the left surround placed on the wall ~2 feet from the couch, directly to the left of the listening positions, and the right surround is ~1 foot from the couch on an end table (no wall on that side) just below ear level. Both provide diffuse sound that is hard to place, no specific directionality at all. You can hear sound panning around to come from the general direction of the surrounds, but you have to look to see where the speakers are located.

The other 390 will hopefully be here Monday, and I have my fingers crossed that they will work as well - I'm afraid those middle drivers will ruin the diffuse effect by introducing excessive directionality to the sound.

I'm curious, why do people claim the ADPs aren't good for Atmos? They seem fine for me, although I'm only using them for the sides - the backs are regular speakers.
I agree, I am using my ADP's as wide channels and they just disappear. I have also used them as side surrounds and they were great.
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I've got the 95F's and 55C all setup and positioned in my room and I spent the last several days hanging acoustic treatments. A pair of Rythmik F25 subs arrived Wednesday. I have four 15B's arriving Thursday to complete the 7.2.4 speaker setup. Just need to install the amps and processor in my rack to get them all hooked up. It's tough having those beautiful speakers just sitting there waiting and not being able to hear them after reading everyone say how good they sound. I bought them during that promotion sound unheard.

I have plenty of photos that I'll post once it's all ready.
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There's a Servo-15 v1 on the right.

Some of you will probably say that the room is cramped for the 95Fs. I bought based on the sound. I thought the 95Fs sounded better than the 85F, so that is what I decided to buy. My take on the "too large" aspect is that speakers will only be too large if they are played too loud. I'm running a Yamaha RX-A1050 behind these, and I used the YPAO automated setup. IMHO, YPAO did a great job and managed to keep the speakers sounding musical with music sources. The 95Fs are quite a bit more sensitive than the 11se MKIIIs they replaced. We used to keep the volume on the 1050 at -20 for the 11se MKIIIs; now, we keep it at about -27.
Thanks for sharing! That's looking good! I don't think your room is too cramped-looking. Reason being, your speakers seem adequately far away from the side and back walls. My arrangement unfortunately won't allow for such distances, so I went smaller in order to gain distance from walls. I know, scrapin' for mere inches but there is also WAF involved (heavily), already pushing it with the 85s!

Everyone says the 95 sounds better than the 85, and it was a painful decision to have to go with the 85 for me. BUT - I have heard them quite a bit now and know what the are capable of, and I think they should do well. I was pretty pleased with what I was hearing when I auditioned them. Now my challenge will be the room and how the speakers respond to it given the less than ideal circumstances of placement that I'm dealing with.

Glad you are liking your setup!

It sure seems like more and more people are warming up to the Prestige line after what seemed like an introduction without much fanfare. It's almost like people didn't want to like them. Anybody else feel that way?
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I've got the 95F's and 55C all setup and positioned in my room and I spent the last several days hanging acoustic treatments. A pair of Rythmik F25 subs arrived Wednesday. I have four 15B's arriving Thursday to complete the 7.2.4 speaker setup. Just need to install the amps and processor in my rack to get them all hooked up. It's tough having those beautiful speakers just sitting there waiting and not being able to hear them after reading everyone say how good they sound. I bought them during that promotion sound unheard.
Don't feel badly - mine have not arrived yet, and it won't matter when they do - they will be sitting in the boxes for at least 1-2 months! It's gonna take me quite some time to get to just half of where you're at.

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I've got the 95F's and 55C all setup and positioned in my room and I spent the last several days hanging acoustic treatments. A pair of Rythmik F25 subs arrived Wednesday. I have four 15B's arriving Thursday to complete the 7.2.4 speaker setup. Just need to install the amps and processor in my rack to get them all hooked up. It's tough having those beautiful speakers just sitting there waiting and not being able to hear them after reading everyone say how good they sound. I bought them during that promotion sound unheard.

I have plenty of photos that I'll post once it's all ready.
That sounds absolutely amazing, I have my 4 Reference Active 20's mounted as front and back height channels in an Auro 3D setup. Experiment running your 15 B's as both large and small speakers, don't just use the small size setting in your receiver as a default. They extend down to 40 HZ so try different crossover settings too besides the default 80 in most receivers. I have my 20's set to large and crossed over at 60. Sometimes explosions sound so real I worry that something actually broke, you will love it!
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That sounds absolutely amazing, I have my 4 Reference Active 20's mounted as front and back height channels in an Auro 3D setup. Experiment running your 15 B's as both large and small speakers, don't just use the small size setting in your receiver as a default. They extend down to 40 HZ so try different crossover settings too besides the default 80 in most receivers. I have my 20's set to large and crossed over at 60. Sometimes explosions sound so real I worry that something actually broke, you will love it!
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Thanks for the tip. I was assuming to just run them as small with a 80Hz crossover, but I'll try to experiment. I'm just starting to learn REW (ran it for the very first time last weekend using my old HT setup), so that process will be part of the learning equation as well.

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... I currently have some older Paradigm Reference Series Speakers - Studio 80 fronts, Studio CC center and Studio 20 rears - that are great speakers. ...

I am looking for budget friendly suggestions on my next step (if there is such a thing with Paradigm speakers). Should I consider upgrading the LCR's, or just add 2 surrounds (side) and 4 ceiling? ...
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Good idea. Most of my current and past speakers have been gently-used and except for one Paradigm ADP-590 they've all been very reliable.

Shop reputable places like audiogon.com and usaudiomart.com for stuff you can't audition in person before buying, and your local craigslist (or similar) for stuff that you can.

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You have great speakers that sound good to you: IMO, you're plenty audiophile. If you want to become an "audiophile", start spending too much money on esoteric gear and accessories.
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Thanks for the tip. I was assuming to just run them as small with a 80Hz crossover, but I'll try to experiment. I'm just starting to learn REW (ran it for the very first time last weekend using my old HT setup), so that process will be part of the learning equation as well.
I found Audyssey set them on small automatically so needed to go into the manual settings to adjust. Look forward to your posting once it is all setup. You can mount the height channels high on the wall with speaker brackets or use very tall 80" stands like a DJ would use at an event.
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I found Audyssey set them on small automatically so needed to go into the manual settings to adjust. Look forward to your posting once it is all setup. You can mount the height channels high on the wall with speaker brackets or use very tall 80" stands like a DJ would use at an event.
I'll be using 34" high stands for the 4 rear surround channels. That places the speakers right at ear level (or have to angle them down perhaps a quarter inch). I have 4 Atmos speakers in the ceiling, so I wanted to make sure there is clear separation between the height speakers and the surround speakers.

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I'll be using 34" high stands for the 4 rear surround channels. That places the speakers right at ear level (or have to angle them down perhaps a quarter inch). I have 4 Atmos speakers in the ceiling, so I wanted to make sure there is clear separation between the height speakers and the surround speakers.
That will work fine, you will probably want to set the ceiling speakers to small though
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I am looking for budget friendly suggestions on my next step (if there is such a thing with Paradigm speakers). Should I consider upgrading the LCR's, or just add 2 surrounds (side) and 4 ceiling? Which speakers would work with current setup? I have never purchased used speakers - good or bad idea? I know this thread is for Paradigm - however are there other options I should consider that would match with my current speakers? I enjoy great sound - however am no audiophile in experience or knowledge by any means! Thanks in advance!


Up until now (I've ordered the Prestige 85f/45c last week) I've ONLY purchased used speakers. If they are in good shape, there's no reason not to. They'll be broken in and sound better than their brand new counterparts anyway. I started with Paradigm Monitor 7v2, then went Mon. 11v3, Studio 60 v2, and am now at Studio 60v5. I LOVE my studio 60v5's. They are spectacular for music and movies. (And they are for sale for $1300 if anyone wants them)



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Yeah, that's what I was planning.

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Prestige 85F

Hello,

I have been looking at the new Paradigm Prestige series. The 85F in particular. Coming from an Infinity Primus setup I think that would be a nice upgrade .

I recently heard the Monitor Audio Silver 10's. They were driven by a Paraasound A21 amp and Parasound 2 channel pre amp.
Unfortunately there were no paradigms on hand at the same time. A few weeks later I had a demo of the 85Fs powered by the same setup. My question is, do Paradigms historically have an emphasis on the highs? To me they sounded a little bright. That might not be the best word to describe it. They did sound good and very detailed. Detailed probably being the better word. The highs really stood out. I found the Monitor Audios to have a warmer sound. Now, it could have just been my mood or maybe something changed in the setup. The demo took place in the same acoustically treated room. The highs seemed overwhelming with all our music selections so I can't help but think something changed in the setup unless it's just that signature sound I'm not used to. Having never listened to Paradigm or Monitor Audio speakers before it's possible they have opposite sound signatures. The 85Fs looked great! It was the Midnight Cherry color. Too bad I could not compare them side by side that day. I also would have liked to listen to the 95Fs.

The demo was just 2 channel. No subwoofer. I'm looking to drive them with a higher powered AVR or Marantz processor/Parasound amp combo in a home theater environment.

Thank you,
Z
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Hello,

I have been looking at the new Paradigm Prestige series. The 85F in particular. Coming from an Infinity Primus setup I think that would be a nice upgrade .

I recently heard the Monitor Audio Silver 10's. They were driven by a Paraasound A21 amp and Parasound 2 channel pre amp.
Unfortunately there were no paradigms on hand at the same time. A few weeks later I had a demo of the 85Fs powered by the same setup. My question is, do Paradigms historically have an emphasis on the highs? To me they sounded a little bright. That might not be the best word to describe it. They did sound good and very detailed. Detailed probably being the better word. The highs really stood out. I found the Monitor Audios to have a warmer sound. Now, it could have just been my mood or maybe something changed in the setup. The demo took place in the same acoustically treated room. The highs seemed overwhelming with all our music selections so I can't help but think something changed in the setup unless it's just that signature sound I'm not used to. Having never listened to Paradigm or Monitor Audio speakers before it's possible they have opposite sound signatures. The 85Fs looked great! It was the Midnight Cherry color. Too bad I could not compare them side by side that day. I also would have liked to listen to the 95Fs.

The demo was just 2 channel. No subwoofer. I'm looking to drive them with a higher powered AVR or Marantz processor/Parasound amp combo in a home theater environment.

Thank you,
Z
They do require break in time. I don't find them bright at all, they tend to be very neutral and detailed. Mind you I only use them for HT.
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I have my 20's set to large and crossed over at 60.
Studio 20's as Large? You must have a pretty weak sub I guess....
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Studio 20's as Large? You must have a pretty weak sub I guess....
Actually the Active Studio 20's are a completely different animal than the passive Studio 20's. They are bi-amped internally with 325W dedicated to the bass/midrange driver and 150W dedicated to the tweeter. That is 475 watts per bookshelf and I use 4 of them as height channels (475 watts x 4= 1900 watts) just for my height channels) These internal amps are Paradigms sister company Anthem but I heard a rumor they had outsourced them to Bryston. They use an active crossover as well meaning the bass extends down to 36 HZ.
http://www.paradigm.com/products-hid...leg/page=specs

That is almost as low as the Prestige 75F Tower that is a floorstander with 4 drivers

I am using the Active 40's as bed channels and the Active ADP's as wide channels.

My subwoofer is the Sunfire TSEQ 10 driven by a 2700 watt Bob carver amp that extends down to 18 hz capable of 110 db SPL, the legal limit if I ever dared crank it that high.
http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=9

When you add the 2700 watts driving my sub to the 1900 watts driving my height channels its ridiculous, in a good way of course

In a nutshell any speaker that extends below 80 hz you should try both ways large and small and see what works best. A lot of this is also dependent on things like room size, placement, whether or not you use room correction, treatments, etc.
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Hello,

I have been looking at the new Paradigm Prestige series. The 85F in particular. Coming from an Infinity Primus setup I think that would be a nice upgrade .

I recently heard the Monitor Audio Silver 10's. They were driven by a Paraasound A21 amp and Parasound 2 channel pre amp.
Unfortunately there were no paradigms on hand at the same time. A few weeks later I had a demo of the 85Fs powered by the same setup. My question is, do Paradigms historically have an emphasis on the highs? To me they sounded a little bright. That might not be the best word to describe it. They did sound good and very detailed. Detailed probably being the better word. The highs really stood out. I found the Monitor Audios to have a warmer sound. Now, it could have just been my mood or maybe something changed in the setup. The demo took place in the same acoustically treated room. The highs seemed overwhelming with all our music selections so I can't help but think something changed in the setup unless it's just that signature sound I'm not used to. Having never listened to Paradigm or Monitor Audio speakers before it's possible they have opposite sound signatures. The 85Fs looked great! It was the Midnight Cherry color. Too bad I could not compare them side by side that day. I also would have liked to listen to the 95Fs.

The demo was just 2 channel. No subwoofer. I'm looking to drive them with a higher powered AVR or Marantz processor/Parasound amp combo in a home theater environment.

Thank you,
Z
I've listened to the 85s on both Parasound gear and simply being driven by an Anthem MRX-510 receiver. They sounded great in either arrangement, though these listening were done at different time in different spaces, so it was not an actual comparison on the receiver and the Parasound gear. When I did hear on the Parasound it was the Halo 2.1 Integrated -OR- a JC2 Preamp with two JC1 Monoblocks. At the listening levels I was using, they sounded the same to my uneducated ears and it was only music - no HT, though I can't fathom them NOT sounded great in HT as well. How would they sound on all that fancy Parasound gear compared directly to the receiver only? Don't know.

But I think with a nice receiver with some power behind it they'd be fine. When I listened on the MRX it was also just music. I guess my point is, for ME, changing gear didn't really seem to have a dramatic effect. Could be psychoacoustics at play though, who knows.

I have heard a lot of people comment that they find the Paradigms "bright" - still trying to figure out what that means, assuming it means emphasis on high frequencies and a tweeter that is feisty? I personally didn't find them this way, but I would declare them more "lively" than Golden Ear and KEF R-series. But compared to Totem Acoustic, I'd call the Paradigms (Prestige at least) more reserved in the highs and mids, but with dominant bass over the Totems (Forests specifically).

For what all that's worth, don't know if t's very much!

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They do require break in time. I don't find them bright at all, they tend to be very neutral and detailed. Mind you I only use them for HT.
What did you run as a break-in time on your 85s?
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What did you run as a break-in time on your 85s?[/QUOTE]

I broke them in in my two channel room ran itunes on repeat for 4 days at varying volumes lower to higher then back down.
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Here is what the 95F and 55C in walnut looks like. I'm happy with the color and the finish. Also, here is a photo of my room after I put up acoustic treatments this week. Hopefully next week I can actually listen to the speakers and the room for the first time!








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