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one year on my LG C7 55 inch: no trace of burn in

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It will be a year for me this February. I too have no burn-in. Then again, owning three Plasmas has trained me well...

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1900 hours on my 65" B7... it will be a year in February since it replaced my plasma.


My OLED has been fed a steady diet of full/wide screen UHD movies with occasional non-news station cable programming. No burn in to be seen anywhere. So my answer to the question is... A big problem? Ummm... maybe if you watch CNN 14 hours a day? That leads to a bigger question though.

Who in their right mind would buy an OLED to watch news stations? You buy a cheap LCD for that.
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1900 hours on my 65" B7... it will be a year in February since it replaced my plasma.


My OLED has been fed a steady diet of full/wide screen UHD movies with occasional non-news station cable programming. No burn in to be seen anywhere. So my answer to the question is... A big problem? Ummm... maybe if you watch CNN 14 hours a day? That leads to a bigger question though.

Who in their right mind would buy an OLED to watch news stations? You buy a cheap LCD for that.
Wall street types who want the flattest TV for their office wall, people who own yachts. Maybe not CNN but probably one station or another that has a logo and a crawl. Nobody in this forum.
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1900 hours on my 65" B7... it will be a year in February since it replaced my plasma.


My OLED has been fed a steady diet of full/wide screen UHD movies with occasional non-news station cable programming. No burn in to be seen anywhere. So my answer to the question is... A big problem? Ummm... maybe if you watch CNN 14 hours a day? That leads to a bigger question though.

Who in their right mind would buy an OLED to watch news stations? You buy a cheap LCD for that.
I sort of agree. But...if your just going to have one tv to serve a family and only one tv, and can't be there to supervise what folks do...

And while news channels are the best known offenders, there are reports of BI from other reasons.

One guy suffered BI in the center area from his wife watching cooking shows. And while it was probably well worth it...a nightly feast matters...he might have been better served with an LCD.

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Planning on getting a Sony OLED for my bedroom which should not get a whole lot of use, maybe more use since it will be replacing a 10 year old 40 inch Sony LCD. Main use in bedroom will be streaming Netflix and a few other apps for tv shows and a movie once in a while. Absolutely no news, no gaming and no sports with the exception of a late night baseball game here and there. I had a Samsung plasma as my main tv a while back with no problems and typical mixed usage for 4 years before I sold it to upgrade to a large 4K Sony LCD. So I guess since this will be my first OLED what do I need to know? Is maintaining an OLED difficult? I plan on also getting it calibrated.

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I'll be purchasing an LG C8 very soon. Not buying into the burn-in hype.
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1900 hours on my 65" B7... it will be a year in February since it replaced my plasma.


My OLED has been fed a steady diet of full/wide screen UHD movies with occasional non-news station cable programming. No burn in to be seen anywhere. So my answer to the question is... A big problem? Ummm... maybe if you watch CNN 14 hours a day? That leads to a bigger question though.

Who in their right mind would buy an OLED to watch news stations? You buy a cheap LCD for that.
Agreed. It might sound elitist but if all you do is watch actual television there really is no need to spend money on an oled. This is a premium product and often premium products need babysitting.


I know someone who spent over 100 grand on a fully loaded BMW 7 series and only used it to drive a mile or 2 every day. After a few weeks he got a low battery message and had to get it replaced. The dealer told him he needs to take it out for a long drive every once in a while to let the battery charge. It turns out BMWs are actually notorious for this issue (and not any other cars in the same class). Needless to say he now drives a beater every day and saves the Beamer for special occasions.
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The OP asked if OLED Burn-In is a Big Problem. Imo, it is a big problem for anyone who just wants to watch TV as it's been done since televisions arrived in households decades ago. We didn't need applied science degrees to watch TV. We didn't need education on which channels we could watch and which would increase our chances of destroying the TV based on what our neighbors revealed happened to them. We didn't fight over which seat provided the only premium experience. We simply put the TV where it fit the best not where it had to go or it wouldn't work. We didn't have to worry if the drapes were open or closed much less a dark environment like a light free basement. We didn't have to make sure an auto fix was implemented every time we were done watching something and hope the fixing was indeed fixing. We weren't limited to how long we watched the same thing continuously or forced to watch other things we don't like too. We didn't have to inquire from our neighbors to make sure we were watching TV correctly for fear of destroying our TV. There are expert TV watchers who find much of this perfectly normal today though.


Often these expert TV watchers dictate that watching the program you like is not only bad for the TV, but bad for you. Therefore, save the TV from breaking and only watch what the experts watch because what you want to watch is wrong and so is how you watch it. This applies to many things in todays age: That game you like - sorry, it's on the no can do list. That TV show you like - nope, it's forbidden too. Your TV as computer monitor - are you out of your mind? You want to binge watch what? - don't you know you have to change programing on regular basis? Wudda' you mean the picture is too dark? - move it into a black hole where it belongs and it'll look bright enough to burn your retinas out. The TV is off limits but me and the kids want to use it but you have to be present? - yes, you guys are not expert TV watchers and I am so I'll look after the TV to make sure you guys use it correctly and then there won't be any problems... maybe. Etc.


When the avenues are exhausted and experts and non-experts alike put their foot down and say enough is enough, I just want to use a TV any way I see fit, the replies are always the same: You broke your TV because you are not an expert TV watcher. OLED's do not burn-in all by themselves. You did it. Buy a cheap LCD then and watch your garbage on garbage. Or as recently analogized, use a BMW OLED for special occasions and use a beater for your daily driver. I find this humorous. In other words, buy a $5000 OLED for occasional use and buy $300 LCD for everyday use. You'll still need to learn the do's and don'ts of your OLED. Just because it's used less than your LCD doesn't make it less susceptible to destruction. But assuming you've taught yourself how to expertly watch an OLED on special occasions, did you really need to? The experts have us brain washed that no other TV is going to look as good. For us non-experts, is that really true? Are we even going to notice what you notice? I don't think so. You know why? Because experts are watching their TV instead of the content just like audiophiles listen to their equipment instead of the music. They often wave papers and websites around saying 'see it says so right here'.


That said, for the majority, if you put a cheap $300 LCD (as suggested) next to a $5000 OLED the difference will be dramatic. If you put a $5000 LCD next to a $5000 OLED (or any fair comparison) the only differences you would SEE is those the OLED doesn't do too well at. Burn-in being one of the primary downfalls and prevention for it leads to further caveats and special usage scenarios only. Sure, an LCD has some MINOR picture differences an OLED doesn't and vice versa. These are always overblown one way or the other. So, imo, why on earth purchase the new guy on the block that limits your usage and also the possibility of burning in a static image ruining the panel when you could use a different TV any way you like just as you always have, that also produces an exceptional quality picture. Just because a tech is newer doesn't make it better. Imo, it's just different and with that difference comes problems older reliable tech simply doesn't have. Burn-in being the 'biggy'.

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The OP asked if OLED Burn-In is a Big Problem. Imo, it is a big problem for anyone who just wants to watch TV as it's been done since televisions arrived in households decades ago.
It seems like everyone is in agreement on this point. If all you want to do is watch TV don't buy an OLED. Similarly if all you want to do is drive to the corner gas station everyday don't buy a Rolls Royce.


You live in a free society (I assume) and you are free to buy whatever kind of TV you want. The risk of burn-in is inherent to the technology. If OLED doesn't meet your needs then don't buy it. I don't know what you are ranting about.


You buy the right tool for the right job. Just like no one recommends a 120" front projector screen for a bright living room environment that's going to show kids cartoons and news channels all day. Even though that is arguably the biggest and best display you can get right now. But its not for everyone.


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The OP asked if OLED Burn-In is a Big Problem. Imo, it is a big problem for anyone who just wants to watch TV as it's been done since televisions arrived in households decades ago. We didn't need applied science degrees to watch TV. We didn't need education on which channels we could watch and which would increase our chances of destroying the TV based on what our neighbors revealed happened to them. We didn't fight over which seat provided the only premium experience. We simply put the TV where it fit the best not where it had to go or it wouldn't work. We didn't have to worry if the drapes were open or closed much less a dark environment like a light free basement. We didn't have to make sure an auto fix was implemented every time we were done watching something and hope the fixing was indeed fixing. We weren't limited to how long we watched the same thing continuously or forced to watch other things we don't like too. We didn't have to inquire from our neighbors to make sure we were watching TV correctly for fear of destroying our TV. There are expert TV watchers who find much of this perfectly normal today though.


Often these expert TV watchers dictate that watching the program you like is not only bad for the TV, but bad for you. Therefore, save the TV from breaking and only watch what the experts watch because what you want to watch is wrong and so is how you watch it. This applies to many things in todays age: That game you like - sorry, it's on the no can do list. That TV show you like - nope, it's forbidden too. Your TV as computer monitor - are you out of your mind? You want to binge watch what? - don't you know you have to change programing on regular basis? Wudda' you mean the picture is too dark? - move it into a black hole where it belongs and it'll look bright enough to burn your retinas out. The TV is off limits but me and the kids want to use it but you have to be present? - yes, you guys are not expert TV watchers and I am so I'll look after the TV to make sure you guys use it correctly and then there won't be any problems... maybe. Etc.


When the avenues are exhausted and experts and non-experts alike put their foot down and say enough is enough, I just want to use a TV any way I see fit, the replies are always the same: You broke your TV because you are not an expert TV watcher. OLED's do not burn-in all by themselves. You did it. Buy a cheap LCD then and watch your garbage on garbage. Or as recently analogized, use a BMW OLED for special occasions and use a beater for your daily driver. I find this humorous. In other words, buy a $5000 OLED for occasional use and buy $300 LCD for everyday use. You'll still need to learn the do's and don'ts of your OLED. Just because it's used less than your LCD doesn't make it less susceptible to destruction. But assuming you've taught yourself how to expertly watch an OLED on special occasions, did you really need to? The experts have us brain washed that no other TV is going to look as good. For us non-experts, is that really true? Are we even going to notice what you notice? I don't think so. You know why? Because experts are watching their TV instead of the content just like audiophiles listen to their equipment instead of the music. They often wave papers and websites around saying 'see it says so right here'.


That said, for the majority, if you put a cheap $300 LCD (as suggested) next to a $5000 OLED the difference will be dramatic. If you put a $5000 LCD next to a $5000 OLED (or any fair comparison) the only differences you would SEE is those the OLED doesn't do too well at. Burn-in being one of the primary downfalls and prevention for it leads to further caveats and special usage scenarios only. Sure, an LCD has some MINOR picture differences an OLED doesn't and vice versa. These are always overblown one way or the other. So, imo, why on earth purchase the new guy on the block that limits your usage and also the possibility of burning in a static image ruining the panel when you could use a different TV any way you like just as you always have, that also produces an exceptional quality picture. Just because a tech is newer doesn't make it better. Imo, it's just different and with that difference comes problems older reliable tech simply doesn't have. Burn-in being the 'biggy'.
It used to be the case that Plasme won all the Shootouts, the best clean sources..movies...made the tech shine next to LCD, yet the tech had problems with static black bars. This seems not to be the case with OLED. So were this tech shines, high quality movies/black bars, it has no problems with these static black bars. And that is the most important thing here afaik. If all you want to do is watch mediocre sources you might as well buy a LCD.
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As much as I love OLED picture above all other technologies (and plasma before that), there is sufficient evidence out there that permanent IR is possible and can be a problem for normal TV viewing of any content with static imagery.

I own an OLED and haven't experienced any noticeable IR. However, I cringe a lot when my fellow OLED evangelists say that IR is impossible because it hasn't happened to their TV. That's like saying it's impossible for a house to burn down because your personal house hasn't burned down.
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The OP asked if OLED Burn-In is a Big Problem. Imo, it is a big problem for anyone who just wants to watch TV as it's been done since televisions arrived in households decades ago. We didn't need applied science degrees to watch TV. We didn't need education on which channels we could watch and which would increase our chances of destroying the TV based on what our neighbors revealed happened to them. We didn't fight over which seat provided the only premium experience. We simply put the TV where it fit the best not where it had to go or it wouldn't work. We didn't have to worry if the drapes were open or closed much less a dark environment like a light free basement. We didn't have to make sure an auto fix was implemented every time we were done watching something and hope the fixing was indeed fixing. We weren't limited to how long we watched the same thing continuously or forced to watch other things we don't like too. We didn't have to inquire from our neighbors to make sure we were watching TV correctly for fear of destroying our TV. There are expert TV watchers who find much of this perfectly normal today though.


Often these expert TV watchers dictate that watching the program you like is not only bad for the TV, but bad for you. Therefore, save the TV from breaking and only watch what the experts watch because what you want to watch is wrong and so is how you watch it. This applies to many things in todays age: That game you like - sorry, it's on the no can do list. That TV show you like - nope, it's forbidden too. Your TV as computer monitor - are you out of your mind? You want to binge watch what? - don't you know you have to change programing on regular basis? Wudda' you mean the picture is too dark? - move it into a black hole where it belongs and it'll look bright enough to burn your retinas out. The TV is off limits but me and the kids want to use it but you have to be present? - yes, you guys are not expert TV watchers and I am so I'll look after the TV to make sure you guys use it correctly and then there won't be any problems... maybe. Etc.


When the avenues are exhausted and experts and non-experts alike put their foot down and say enough is enough, I just want to use a TV any way I see fit, the replies are always the same: You broke your TV because you are not an expert TV watcher. OLED's do not burn-in all by themselves. You did it. Buy a cheap LCD then and watch your garbage on garbage. Or as recently analogized, use a BMW OLED for special occasions and use a beater for your daily driver. I find this humorous. In other words, buy a $5000 OLED for occasional use and buy $300 LCD for everyday use. You'll still need to learn the do's and don'ts of your OLED. Just because it's used less than your LCD doesn't make it less susceptible to destruction. But assuming you've taught yourself how to expertly watch an OLED on special occasions, did you really need to? The experts have us brain washed that no other TV is going to look as good. For us non-experts, is that really true? Are we even going to notice what you notice? I don't think so. You know why? Because experts are watching their TV instead of the content just like audiophiles listen to their equipment instead of the music. They often wave papers and websites around saying 'see it says so right here'.


That said, for the majority, if you put a cheap $300 LCD (as suggested) next to a $5000 OLED the difference will be dramatic. If you put a $5000 LCD next to a $5000 OLED (or any fair comparison) the only differences you would SEE is those the OLED doesn't do too well at. Burn-in being one of the primary downfalls and prevention for it leads to further caveats and special usage scenarios only. Sure, an LCD has some MINOR picture differences an OLED doesn't and vice versa. These are always overblown one way or the other. So, imo, why on earth purchase the new guy on the block that limits your usage and also the possibility of burning in a static image ruining the panel when you could use a different TV any way you like just as you always have, that also produces an exceptional quality picture. Just because a tech is newer doesn't make it better. Imo, it's just different and with that difference comes problems older reliable tech simply doesn't have. Burn-in being the 'biggy'.
I love my 65" 3D C6. I baby the hell out of it, cause it is one of the best 3D tv's ever made and cannot be replaced...and I'm ok with that as I have several other tv's in my home to use for watching dangerous things.

But when it dies will I replace it with another Oled...no way. While I love the picture quality, just no way...I will go for something that has close PQ...but has a proven track record of no BI risks. Not going to repeat the babying and worry game. Some say it's overblown...but so is just how much better Oled PQ is over top LCD's. And with mini LED 5000+ dimming zones coming out now...going to be even closer.

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I disown your heresy, Kenbar. When LCD can beat an OLED for contrast and black levels in blackout viewing, call me up. In the meantime, I'll baby my OLEDs all the way. I'm glad we have competition to mediocre transmissive, otherwise the development would be nowhere near as far along as it is in 2019.
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While I agree with many here on the AVS forum that OLED UHD TVs can deliver a state of the art picture. However, I do have concerns about using one as my main "family room" TV. As an "old fart" that's owned a lot of different TVs (and HT projectors) over my adult life, including a couple of plasma TVs. I have not had any real burn-in issues. However, since I've been retired for a decade, my wife and I are using our family room TV (currently a 4+ year old 70" UHD LCD/LED) for perhaps 10 to 12 hours a day. It's been reported here on AVS forum that LG rates the life (half brightness) of their OLED panels at only 15,000 hours of use. At 10 hrs. per day of use that's only 4+ years. In comparison the better LCD panels are be rated for a life of 75,000 hours or more and even the later generations of Panasonic Plasma TVs had a rated 60,000 hr. panel life. Of course even a short 15,000 hr. panel life would probably not be issue if you only use the OLED TV for 3 or 4 hours a day, but IF that reported 15,000 life for OLED is correct then the technology still has a ways to go for high usage consumer applications.

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I don’t think anyone thinks BI is impossible but rather it is unlikely if you take precautions.

If I set OLED light to 100 and put up full brightness text using the PC input, it would be trivial to create BI.

If I watched sports with scores on screen for eight hours or more I might also be concerned.

But that also won’t stop me from watching 4x3 or letterboxed movies all day Sunday, and my TV is locked on Hallmark Channel for at least eight to ten hours per day from late October through January every year and I don’t hve the logo burned into my screen yet.
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